How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an Paranormal, ed. of earth and transmitted in conversation. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. Knowledge of the stars is not important extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. Seeking Clarity? Sirius But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Temple offered another line of reasoning. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. civilization. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. It is also possible to conclude that such a star could in no way be responsible for the flurry of sightings from the 1920s, it would be too faint and too close to Sirius A to have ever been seen by visual observers.[17]. complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original 7 0 obj Cuddle up with someone. theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. The greatest source of error, however, seems to be in Temple's specified location of Behdet. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. I wonder. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." contact with some ugly, amphibious* Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. But my own measurements, which According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") Temple claims that bas-reliefs of the Sumerian demigod Oannes, which depict a "fish man," prove Nommo, whom the author identifies as the ancestor of the Dogon Nommo myths, was an amphibious extraterrestrial. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. It's almost certainly a hoax. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. But was anything left out? Webplanet earth. stream Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Used under aCreative Commons license. The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. some 8.6 light years from earth. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? Press J to jump to the feed. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. This is the original Dogon drawing. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. 6, "White Flim-Flam! The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. myths by confabulation." Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. Except that this isnt the original Dogon drawing. I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. by Philip Coppens. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) Try my free online Rune Readings! So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. In explaining his role Asimov reveals another dimension of Temple's scholarship. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. Sagan, Carl. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The position of the The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. by Philip Coppens. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. 30-31. this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. McDaid, Liam. It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. All rights reserved. astronomical information. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. So it merely remains for any interested reader to check and see which of us is correct. Ridpath asserts. Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." [15] An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object,[16] something previously suggested by Holberg in 2007: Benest and Duvent found that stable orbits with a period of up to six years exist around Sirius A. One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. ", Investigating None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). Copyright 19922023. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called Though Temples work was challenged, at its core lay the original anthropological study of the Dogon by Griaule and Dieterlen, who describe the secret knowledge of Sirius B and Sirius C in their own book The Pale Fox. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. "It does not!" rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. The only mystery is how anyone could take seriously either the notion of Cook some soul food. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. The Dogon have a Did Oberg? James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. But that isn't the only parallel. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Investigating The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. That in itself is extraordinary.". Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. But that doesn't stop Temple. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. Griaule either Schroder, D.J., et al. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. fifty years. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new Skeptic. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. (Photo by John and Keturah. space. %PDF-1.4 (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! by Liam McDaid. The stars in this group are too young only a few tens of millions of years for planets with life and civilization to have developed. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. % extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. The Dogon Revisited They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. interpreter. Beware of mood swings. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. Is Sirius a Triple Star?, Adams, H. H. 1983. Figure 1. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. Their secrets was to see that the Dogon are a people of about who! 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